lauram: Hi Mardean and Ina!
lauram: How are you?
MardeanB: It was good to hear from you the other day!
MardeanB: School's going well - but already too busy.
Ina: Looks neat Mardean...just checked out the general info site.
lauram: yes - that's always a problem
Ina: I had a long talk with Mike today. He's really interested in pursuing the project with his Phys Sci.
MardeanB: I was just telling Ina that Eli and I have just spent 3 hrs tonight working on our school web site -- we're doing an overhaul.
lauram: I appreciated your srtatus messages over the summer
¥¥¥ sdf has joined. ¥¥¥
MardeanB: Ina, that's what Doug was saying after school.
lauram: sounds like a lot of work
sdf: Hello everyonee
lauram: Welcome sdf!
lauram: Can I ask what you real name is?
sdf: I'm Eileen...Looking to see where this name came from?
MardeanB: Hi, Eileen
lauram: oh - you should be able to change your nickname
lauram: you are on a mac right?
sdf: Looking for it...
sdf: I'm on PC
lauram: under the IRC menu, select Change Nickname
Ina: Hi Eileen!
¥¥¥ mare has joined. ¥¥¥
lauram: Hi mare. Welcome!
mare: Hello
sdf: I'm in MCChat...looking
sdf: Hello
lauram: Mare - are you Mary Clifford?
mare: No, Mary Warren
MardeanB: Greetings from New Hampshire, Mary
lauram: ok - welcome Mary. Mary was in LInC winter 98
¥¥¥ sdf has changed nickname to Eileen ¥¥¥
Eileen: Ha!
mare: Greetings to you all.
lauram: Ina, Eileen and Mardean were in Winter 99
lauram: Shall we get started?
mare: Glad to meet you all.
Eileen: ok
mare: yes,
MardeanB: Ready
Ina: Hi Mare! All set Laura.
lauram: Ok - this first session is about how to create the web page form
lauram: The second session in one hour is about how to make the form send you e-mail with the results
lauram: But if we are faster, I will just continue
mare: Super!
lauram: Do you have a web page form started or do you want to start from scratch?
Eileen: Sherri is coming...i just called her
mare: From scratch.
lauram: 1 vote in!
Eileen: I have a page but it is wrong..
lauram: ok, thanks Eileen
MardeanB: from scratch
Eileen: So go from scratch]
lauram: ok - we have a quorom
lauram: please put your chat window on 1/2 your screen and open up PageMill to the other half
lauram: Let me know when you are there.
Ina: Laura--I'll be switching to the PC side to use FrontPage...it may take awhile longer. I'll catch up if I fall behind.
mare: Ready here.
MardeanB: I have pagemill up
Eileen: ready
lauram: Ok Ina - you'll want to translate my instructions to FrontPage-ese
Ina: No problem!
lauram: Ok - The first step is to create form objects
lauram: using PageMill
lauram: form objects are ...
lauram: checkboxes, menus, radio buttons, text fields, ...
Ina: Laura--is anyone capturing this? Will it be posted anywhere?
lauram: These items are icons in the top right of the PageMill toolbar
lauram: I'm capturing
lauram: I'll post as well
MardeanB: Thanks
lauram: without clicking - pass your mouse over
lauram: the right half of the icons on that toolbar
lauram: an little box will pop up saying what each item is
lauram: Do you see this?
Eileen: got it
MardeanB: ok
Ina: All set.
mare: ok
lauram: For example, the first one says "insert checkbox"
lauram: great!
Wed Sep 22 18:15:32 1999
lauram: ok - go ahead and click on the checkbox and press return
MardeanB: Done
mare: ok
Eileen: done
¥¥¥ Smeehan has joined. ¥¥¥
lauram: then click on the radiobutton twice and press return
MardeanB: done
mare: so we should now have a checkbox and 2 radio buttons
lauram: yes.
Ina: Yes
Eileen: yes
¥¥¥ Sherri has joined. ¥¥¥
lauram: then press return
Eileen: Hi shreei
Sherri: hi. finally!
lauram: then click on the scrolled text icon and press return
Ina: Scrolled text icon???
mare: the next one...
lauram: It's the next icon after radiobutton
MardeanB: Got it!
mare: If Ina is in front page it might say text field??
Ina: Sorry--I'm menuing it in frontpage.
Ina: Found it.
lauram: ok great.
Smeehan: Okay I have these also.
lauram: What we just did was pick a few sample form objects
Eileen: ok
lauram: When you do one later, you can pick whatever items you need
lauram: We'll stop here and just use these 4 items as your starting example
Ina: Am I correct that radio button = one choice, checkbox if want options to select two or more?
lauram: exactly
lauram: if you have 6 radiobuttons - only one may be selected at any time
lauram: if you have 6 checkboxes, all or none can be selected
mare: got it.
Eileen: ok
lauram: ok - the next step is to give these form objects intelligent names so you can recognize them when they are e-mailed back to you
lauram: Also, we need to give a value that will be sent when the checkbox is checked or radiobutton is selected
lauram: To do this, click once on the checkbox
lauram: Then from the VIEW menu, choose SHOW INSPECTOR (if your is not already up
lauram: let me knwo when you are there
Eileen: ok
MardeanB: ok
mare: I don't have VIEW, could I have an older version of pagemill?
lauram: Mary are you on a Mac?
Smeehan: ok
mare: yes Mac 550
lauram: Stephen, are you on a Mac?
Smeehan: Yes
lauram: ok - then it is the version.
Ina: Think I'm set.
Sherri: On the mac it is "window"
lauram: Mary, is their a WINDOW menu?
mare: I found it, thanks.
lauram: great.
lauram: ok - Now type something in the name like "happy"
lauram: don't include the quotes
Eileen: ok
mare: ok
Smeehan: ok
lauram: I suggest names be in lower case
lauram: also - please no spaces in these names
lauram: sound familiar :-)
Ina: ok
lauram: Now fill in the value. What do you want your e-mail message to say if the person checks the box
lauram: so I have put in "yes" in my value
lauram: without the quotes
Eileen: ok
mare: ok
Smeehan: ok
MardeanB: ok
lauram: the "checked" field lets you pick whether you want the checkbox to be checked when your reader first looks at your form.
lauram: So you can select that or not as you prefer
Smeehan: ok
mare: ok
MardeanB: ok
lauram: Now we are done with the checkbox
Wed Sep 22 18:30:35 1999
Eileen: not sure what you mean by first checked?
lauram: click on the first readiobutton
lauram: Eillen, when your reader first gives the URL for your form and sees it on the web
Eileen: ok
lauram: i.e. the default if your reader does nothing
lauram: ok the trick with radiobuttons
lauram: is that all the radiobuttons that go together have the same name
lauram: so let's name this radiobutton "color"
lauram: and give it a value of "white"
Ina: That's how you can make two sets on the same line of a table that can be checked?!?
lauram: no quotes in either of these or in the rest of this chat
lauram: Yes Ina, the first set has one name
lauram: and the second set has another
lauram: now click on the second radiobutton
lauram: give it the same name "color"
lauram: give it a value of "black"
Smeehan: ok
MardeanB: Done
mare: ok
lauram: you can have long rows of radiobuttons this way
lauram: but two is enough to get the idea across
lauram: ok, nect click on your scrolled text field
Ina: Neat! The light goes on....
Eileen: ok
lauram: give it a name like "experience"
lauram: these names arbitrary - you'll pick your own when you fo forms later
lauram: You can decide how many rows and columns you want
mare: ok
lauram: let me know when you are done
Smeehan: ok
Eileen: ok
MardeanB: ok
lauram: Sherri - are you caught up?
Ina: Okay
Sherri: I'm not sure
lauram: have you created a few items and named them and given them values?
Sherri: I created a pg added radio buttons,
Sherri: and a text box
Sherri: I opened inspector
Sherri: OK
lauram: ok - now - every form needs a Submit button
lauram: Can't submit without it.
lauram: Add a submit button by clicking on the icon with the blue check
MardeanB: ok
mare: ok
lauram: then add a reset button by clicking on the itemn with a red x
Eileen: ok
Sherri: ok
Smeehan: ok
lauram: the reset button is optional
MardeanB: ok
Eileen: set
mare: super
Smeehan: ok reset
lauram: But if you have a form it is nice to allow the reader to clear all the fields with one button press - which is what the reset buttom does
lauram: now we need to click on the submit button you created to get the inspector
lauram: Name must be "submit"
Sherri: ok
MardeanB: ok
lauram: label can be whatever you like
Smeehan: ok
lauram: "go for it"
lauram: "submit" or something like that
Smeehan: ok
Ina: Laura--The submit & reset came up in front page when I added the first component.
lauram: sounds fine Ina - you are doing well to translate and keep up at the same time!
lauram: then click on the reset button
Eileen: ok
Sherri: I think that may have been my probelm
Eileen: what/
Sherri: not "name" submit
lauram: you can put whatever label you like on it.
lauram: Yes - Sherri
lauram: might depend on how the CGI works - but naming it submit is safest
Sherri: Good
Eileen: so why does it come to me as an unknown application?
lauram: say label it "clear"
Sherri: I have it
lauram: Eileen - the way you are using - I don't think it gives the proper header info on the mail message to identify it as text instead of some other application file
Eileen: what needs to change?
lauram: can you all Save your form to myform.html
lauram: always good to save periodically
Smeehan: ok
Eileen: ok
Wed Sep 22 18:45:44 1999
MardeanB: ok
Sherri: done
mare: ok
lauram: ok - next step is we have to tell the form what program to run when the user presses submit
¥¥¥ sdf has joined. ¥¥¥
sdf: I'm back
lauram: To do this - click anywhere in your page
¥¥¥ sdf has changed nickname to Eileen2 ¥¥¥
lauram: Hi Eileen - you only missed our SAVING the file
Ina: all set
Eileen2: I'm saved
lauram: after you click on your page (not on a form item)
¥¥¥ Eileen has quit saying: Ping timeout for Eileen[pm007-016.dialip.mich.com] ¥¥¥
¥¥¥ Eileen2 has left. ¥¥¥
Sherri: ok
lauram: in the inspector, click on the 3rd item at the top
lauram: it looks like a scrolled text icon
MardeanB: ok
mare: got it
lauram: for Action, fill in the URL for the script
lauram: for our server, this should be
¥¥¥ Eileen has joined. ¥¥¥
Eileen: Having server problems
Eileen: What is happening?
Sherri: should be...?
Smeehan: ok
lauram: hello
lauram: i'm back
lauram: sorry - it was sending to the console instead of this window for a few minutes
Eileen: ok
Smeehan: ok
lauram: oh - I understand
Eileen: I've been gone and back twice!
lauram: when I give the URL it thinks it is a command
lauram: I'll try this way
Smeehan: tricky
lauram: slash cgi-bin/genmail.cgi
lauram: there
lauram: no space between the slash and the cgi-bin
Eileen: I'm missing something...what is this?
lauram: it is a forward slash just like the second one
lauram: ok Eileen.
lauram: Click in your pagemill window anywhere not on a form item
Eileen: ok
Ina: Laura--I don't believe I have an "inspector" and can't locate anything similiar. Any suggestions?....If you don't know, I'll just listen and try to find later.
lauram: then in the inspector, click on the 3rd icon which looks like a scrolled text
Eileen: ok
lauram: Eileen - then for the action fill in /cgi-bin/genmail.cgi
Smeehan: ok
Sherri: Done. Hit return too?
lauram: not sure Ina - how do you usually change properties of things - like how thick a line is
lauram: don't need to hit return
lauram: for the method - you must select POST
Ina: I'll try form properties--I saw that.
lauram: Ina - I can tell you how to do it in source code if you can't find it. It's easy
Smeehan: ok
lauram: ok, now add whatever text you would like in your PageMill window.
mare: Is this the code for fnal ONLY?
Eileen: ok
lauram: The URL for the CGI script is fnal-only
lauram: The process of creating and naming fields is same for all
mare: ok, so my own server would be something else, right?
Eileen: Where are we adding the txt in page mill?
Sherri: Why not use the "mailto: our e-mail accounts?
lauram: yes. You would need a "formmail" type CGI on their server
lauram: Sherri - you can do that.
lauram: The e-mail sent with results does not look very nice
Sherri: How would we get the results of our forms from fnal?
Eileen: missing something...Where am I putting this text?
lauram: hell=yes&goodbye=no&there=people
lauram: sorry that was supposed to be hello
lauram: I am answering Sherri
lauram: Sherri - that is what your results look like with the mailto approach
lauram: This will look nicer
Sherri: ok
mare: Ok, we believe you.
lauram: Also - Eileen's mail had trouble with that approach as you told me.
lauram: ok Eileen
Eileen: worked with MAC not PC
Sherri: I was just guessing, I believe you too
lauram: This text we are adding is just extra text in the file for the viewer
mare: ok
Eileen: under the submit box?
lauram: You may want to add "happy: " before the checkbox
lauram: "color:" before the radiobuttons
lauram: experience: before the text field
Wed Sep 22 19:00:47 1999
lauram: this is just for the reader to know what they are entering
lauram: It doesn't do anything for the CGI program
Eileen: I get it... a light went on!
Sherri: like labels or directions
lauram: great - yes.
MardeanB: Done!
lauram: ok perfect. We are done with part one right on time
¥¥¥ Jan has joined. ¥¥¥
mare: Super
lauram: Hi Jan. Welcome.
Jan: Hi everyone!
lauram: We are just about to start part 2
Sherri: How do we get our results from your server?
mare: Yes, results?
lauram: please bring up your PageMill on the form you have ready to use.
lauram: ok - please save your file to myfile.html
lauram: oops - Jan cancel that
lauram: Ok. Now you should be able to quit pagemill after you have saved
lauram: please open your file in SimpleText if you have a Mac and WordPad if you have a PC
mare: Is this direction for everyone?
Sherri: Which file? the one we just created?
lauram: Yes - the one you just created and saved.
lauram: exit PageMill first
lauram: You don't want to edit the file two ways at the same time :-(
lauram: Also bring up your web browser
Sherri: Everything is in code
mare: this is gonna be a challenge, 3 windows???
Smeehan: okay I have "myform.html" opened in simpletext.
Eileen: ok open
lauram: yes.
Sherri: Browser open
Smeehan: browser open
mare: If you lose me, it means I froze....
lauram: ok.
Sherri: ok mare
mare: I'm there so far, ok.
lauram: should be ok - Chat and simpletext don't take much memory
lauram: that is the reason for not using PageMill for this part
lauram: Ok - go to the URL
Sherri: good thinking!
Sherri: which
mare: ok the cgi-bin, etc one?
lauram: /docs/genmail.shtml
lauram: No - not the CGI - If you give the CGI as the URL it will try to run the program without any form input
lauram: it will not work
lauram: The CGI is run by pressing submit on the form
mare: I don't see where we put http.... etc.
lauram: sorry - in your browser - I am asking you to go to a web page that has documentation
Eileen: found it
mare: ok
Sherri: not available
Smeehan: ok i think
lauram: do you have docs plural Sherri
lauram: do you have hyphen between www and ed
Sherri: yes
lauram: can you copy and paste
Sherri: no
mare: you can cut and paste the URL from the chat screen
lauram: /docs/genmail.shtml
Eileen: I can just click on it from chat
Sherri: /docs/genmail.shtml%0D/docs/genmail.shtml%D/docs/genmail.shtml
Sherri: /docs/genmail.shtml%0D/docs/genmail.shtml%D/docs/genmail.shtml
lauram: Sherri - erase everything from your location field
lauram: Just put the URL once
lauram: ok - others
Sherri: done
mare: I'm there.
lauram: Do you see the line starting with <FORM
Smeehan: okay
MardeanB: ok
mare: yes
lauram: The text of your <FORM statement should look exactly like this.
Eileen: ok
lauram: Mine did not work from PageMill
lauram: It left out the METHOD and ACTION part so I will have to add it.
Smeehan: I am not sure what you mean.
Sherri: yes MSIE put autotext
Sherri: got it
Eileen: I need time to work with this
lauram: in your SimpleText where you have your myfile.html opened
Eileen: ok
lauram: There should be a line that starts <FORM
Eileen: got it
lauram: This line should be the same as the documentation you are looking at in Netscape
Smeehan: I have this - < FORM METHOD="post" ACTION="/cgi-bin/genmail.cgi" >
lauram: That's perfect Stephen.
Smeehan: is that correct?
Smeehan: ok
lauram: The PC people may not have been so lucky
Wed Sep 22 19:15:56 1999
mare: same on mine
Sherri: yep me too and form by itself at the bottom
mare: right
Eileen: I'm missing the word "post
lauram: Ok - the next step is COPY and PASTE the line starting
lauram: <INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="mail_to" ...
lauram: Eileen, go ahead and add the METHOD="post"
lauram: let me know when you are there
Sherri: < INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="required" >
Smeehan: ok
lauram: as Sherri bounds to the finish line - we are not there yet!
mare: we are to copy from web page to text file, right?
lauram: just that one line for now
Sherri: i only have it on my clipboard
lauram: starting with <INPUT TYPE=
mare: got it.
lauram: Now instead of darkstar@imsa.edu, put your own e-mail address
Sherri: where?
mare: where are we to paste this line???
Sherri: in our myform.html?
lauram: instead of darkstar@imsa.edu in the line you copied
lauram: Yes into myform.html after the <FORM ...> statement
Eileen: I need to watch...lost something but not much
Sherri: where?
Sherri: after the form action=?
lauram: What we are doing now is filling in some "hidden" fields that tell the form where we want it to go
lauram: Yes Sherri, you've got it
lauram: after the <FORM ...> line, press return and then copy the other line
Sherri: and leave the cgi-bin intact?
lauram: Your FORM line should look exactly like this
lauram: <FORM METHOD="post" ACTION="/cgi-bin/genmail.cgi">
lauram: Then press return
lauram: Then copy in the line that says
lauram: <INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="mail_to" VALUE="darkstar@imsa.edu">
lauram: Then press return
lauram: instead of the darkstar@imsa.edu - put your own e-mail address
Eileen: I think I pasted it right...
lauram: good Eileen - It's better to copy and paste
lauram: otherwise it's too easy to make typos and the text has to be exact. The computer is picky :-)
Eileen: I understand the idea...We are putting in our information into the standard form
mare: I have something after /genmail.cgi" that says ENCYTYPE=... so I put <INPUT ... after that
lauram: That's fine Mary
lauram: Sometimes PageMill adds things like that
mare: ok, good.
lauram: The important thing is that there is an ending ">" on the form statement
Eileen: I'm worried about spaces...they may gum things
mare: yes, ok
lauram: the next statment must go after that ">"
lauram: Eileen, spaces between things don't matter
lauram: unless they are in the middle of words
mare: Yes, the < and > begin and end the tags
MardeanB: Whew! - I think I got it all
lauram: ok - Do the same with the next <INPUT ...> line
Eileen: I'm with you...at least until the test!
Sherri: this is from myform.html
lauram: put it as the next line
lauram: You get to say who the mail looks like it is coming from
lauram: so the example says nobody@fnal.gov
lauram: but you could put your or someoneelse's e-mail in
lauram: This is just for convenience for mail filing or for REPLYing
lauram: Ok - I think you can read through the rest and add those <INPUT ..> lines
lauram: and just ask me questions
lauram: For the mail subject - you get to decide what the subject line of the message will be.
mare: so, am I right in adding these one after another in my text?
lauram: Yes Mary.
mare: got it
lauram: For the "REQUIRED" statement - you get to decide if any of the items are required
lauram: If they are required, they will not let the user submit the form if the user has not filled those items in.
Smeehan: So we just select the input lines that seem appropriat and paste them in one at a time?
lauram: You can choose all fields or no fields to be required.
lauram: list the field names with one space between each name.
lauram: Choose the first required line if you wannt to make some fields required
lauram: Choose the second required line if you want to make nothing required.
lauram: Don't include both
Wed Sep 22 19:31:04 1999
lauram: That will be the last line you need to copy and paste
lauram: You do not need the two text fields at the bottom and you already should have a submit button
lauram: Mary - if you do this on another server with another CGI program - You should be able to use the same form
lauram: but you'll have to put in new "hidden" fields
lauram: and a new "action"
mare: ok
lauram: So it shouldn't be a lot of work to convert.
lauram: The fields are called hidden because they don't show to the reader.
lauram: When you are done, save your file, upload it into your project folder, open the URL with your browser, and press the submit button.
lauram: I'll be here for questions.
Sherri: OK, I think. *-|
Eileen: No keeping up but I have some of it...got confused at the required ...
Eileen: all I need to do is out the required line in?
¥¥¥ Marguerit has joined. ¥¥¥
Sherri: So these hidden fields make it required for certain input by the user?
lauram: Welcome Marguerite!
lauram: Eileen, the last line you need to put in is the required line
lauram: pick one of the two
Marguerit: Hello. Sorry I just got here.
Eileen: I guess I wondered if I need to replace any wording except email?
lauram: subsititute your field names in for the sample ones if you are making some fields required
Sherri: I see.
Eileen: That is the problem...field names? refers to???
lauram: You could replace "mail_from mail_subject" with
lauram: "happy color experience"
lauram: because those were the field names used
Sherri: oops
Eileen: half way there
lauram: Sherri - the NAME="required" line lets you pick which fields in your form should be required.
Sherri: so, I could leave that alone and simply use the "subject" and mailto:?
Eileen: I know what fields are Where did they get the words "mail_from mail_subject"
lauram: That's just an example
Smeehan: Laura I chose save as. I sent it to the server and opend the document and none of the buttons or boxes were there. although the text I wrote infront of them were visible. Did i miss something.
lauram: Stephen, I'll check - what folder did you upload to
Smeehan: /help/meehan_nolan/myform.html
Eileen: I'm going to try that...I have been following directions just not sure why? and pretty sure I missed something...Will try now to save and upload
lauram: ok, checking ...
mare: same thing happened to me, I don't have a folder so I did it locally.
mare: text we copied and pasted appears, I do get all my other objects to appear.
lauram: Mary - you can't do it locally.
lauram: It expects the CGI program to be on your compyter then.
lauram: you can upload to your mwarren folder.
Smeehan: I see I have to subject inputs I will remove one of them.
mare: ok got it.
Sherri: When I put myform it showed up in code
Sherri: Do we have to open our editied myfom.html in pagemill then upload?
Sherri: hey! wait
Sherri: Eileen orver wrote my file
lauram: Do not open your edited form in Pagemill
Wed Sep 22 19:46:07 1999
Sherri: I guess I will add a 2 to myform2.html
Sherri: ok
Sherri: I am looking at eileen's form. I can see her e-mail
Sherri: address
lauram: Stephen - yours is working for me.
Eileen: my is a muck...as I knew it would. When I missed something,,,I fell behind..I need to sort it out without following the conversation
Eileen: I think I understand the concept and I know how to read html
lauram: I removed the spaces betweeb < and the tags
lauram: Everyone may need to do this
lauram: It should read <FORM ... /cgi-bin/genmail.cgi>
Sherri: will do
lauram: instead of < FORM ... /cgi-bin/genmail.cgi >
lauram: see the extra spaces after < and before >
lauram: remove the similar spaces in your other tags
Eileen: better this time...but needs work on the submit button /lincon/w99/projects/multiple/myform.html
lauram: i.e. <INPUT instead of < INPUT
Smeehan: Okay, I will keep working on mine. I still only see text. Which includes the inputs we pasted.
Sherri: search and replace, I did
Sherri: I', sending mine up now
Eileen: are you saying not to open page mill and find the submit button?
Eileen: I think it was lost in a save
lauram: Stephen, when I removed the extra spaces after < and before >, I get a good form for yours.
lauram: checkout myform3.html in your same folder - Stephen.
lauram: No Eileen, Do not load the form in Pagemill
lauram: upload it to the server
lauram: Then give the URL for the page to your web browser
Sherri: It worked Laura!
Sherri: removing the spaces...I mean
mare: I lost my submit button, will check thisout...
lauram: Hooray!!!
lauram: That's ok Mary - you can just add one in simpletext
lauram: an example is on the documentaion web page
Jan: I sent a sample form and the screen showed me what I submitted. Does that mean it worked?
Eileen: I did that already laura and founf the submit button gone...now I put it pack on the page...
Eileen: uploaded it and it wenty to fermi (with errors...)
Eileen: This is all part of m learning curve...I'm close but now need to look at all the tags
Eileen: and I have a secret weapon...Sherri got it! so I can get her to trouble shoot
Sherri: MAIL from failed. Syntax error - parameters or arguments.
lauram: Jan - did you put your e-mail address in?
Sherri: think again eileen
Sherri: Yes
lauram: Jan - check your e-mail.
Eileen: opps I spoke too soon...Sherri didn;t get it all...but at least it went to her mailbox!
Sherri: nope it never was sent
lauram: Stephen - Did you get an e-mail from my test. It says "hi stephen"
Smeehan: Okay, I have removed all of the spaces from before the input and now the input lines are hidden and all the check and radio items are there.
Smeehan: I will check
Jan: Got the e-mail! However, every word is on a separate line followed by a colon-- I have to figure that out!
Smeehan: Yes Laura I got your mail. Thanks.
lauram: Yeah!
lauram: Yes Jan - that is how it works
lauram: It returns each line with
lauram: fieldname: value
lauram: So it should say
lauram: happy: yes
lauram: color: white
Jan: This returns each word with a colon and on a separate line
lauram: experience: whatever_you_typed_in
Smeehan: bye!
lauram: Is that what you see?
¥¥¥ Smeehan has left. ¥¥¥
Jan: What: rnrndid: rnrnyou: rnrnexpect: rnrnto: rnrnlearn: rnrntoday?:
Jan: It looks like this!
Wed Sep 22 20:01:16 1999
Jan: Wait, I have an idea
Eileen: my form is looking better but still submits to fnal.../lincon/w99/projects/multiple/myform.html
Sherri: I just e-mailed you my simpletext file
Eileen: any suggestions?
lauram: Ok, Eileen, I will look at yours
Ina: Thanks everyone....nice to hear from all of you again. Goodnight.
Jan: Ok, it works!
Jan: Thanks for the help!
¥¥¥ Ina has quit saying: Ina ¥¥¥
mare: Thanks Laura, I think I need to play with this some more, this was my first attempt.
Eileen: Thanks...i enjoyed it...Was it a nightmare for you>???
lauram: Great Jan!!
Sherri: Thanks Laura
Marguerit: Hello and good bye to all.
mare: I appreciate you inviting me and enjoyed it much.
lauram: Eileen - you have 3 problems
lauram: Mary - did yours work?
Sherri: I need to work on this some more
MardeanB: I think I got it!
lauram: your e-mail adress looks wrong Eileen
Eileen: ok
mare: Not yet, I will play with it, but I think I know what's wrong, at least with the submit button...
lauram: Hooray Mardean! Great
Sherri: so, I'll probably e-mail you again later; if it is OK with you
mare: Thanks again, see you all later.
lauram: Your SUBMIT button needs to be named "submit"
Sherri: bye
lauram: Ok Mary. Good to see you.
Sherri: i'm still here
mare: Yes, I can see that I accidently erased it, bye.
lauram: Sherri - I'll work with Eileen, then she can help you.
mare: See you all later...
MardeanB: Thanks, Laura, for your help -- it's all becoming clearer now.
Eileen: ok
¥¥¥ mare has left. ¥¥¥
Sherri: OK. I will not e-mail you then.
Eileen: I know I need time to play...
Sherri: I really got a lot out of this session. Thank you Laura
Eileen: Bye for now
lauram: Eileen if you make those two changes - it should work.
MardeanB: Bye, all -- was good to "see" all again
lauram: bye mardean - thanks for stopping by,
¥¥¥ MardeanB has left. ¥¥¥
Sherri: by all! Thanks so very much
¥¥¥ Sherri has left. ¥¥¥
Eileen: bye
¥¥¥ Eileen has left. ¥¥¥
Jan: Will there be a log of the chat for next week?
lauram: Eileen - talk to you on Friday.
lauram: I will make a log of both this week and next
Jan: Thanks for everything! See you on the net...
lauram: Ok Jan - glad it worked. What did you fix?
Marguerit: did it. it goes into graphics?
Jan: I used underlines between my words on the form. Before I had spaces-- my fault!
lauram: ok - glad it was something simple. Have a great week.
Jan: Thanks and Bye!
¥¥¥ Jan has left. ¥¥¥
Marguerit: I think it sounds ok. It always sounds easier than when you do it though.
lauram: You can e-mail questions ...
lauram: you asked me about contests?
lauram: [a long time ago :-(
Marguerit: Thanks. How is everything at Fermi? - Yes I remember about the contests. . .
lauram: you can enter your project in some contests - but it depends on the contest.
lauram: basically - let me know what contest it is and I will ask our lawyers to look at the fine print.
Marguerit: I have put up a bulletin board outside my classroom with all the pictures I took out ther and will have students do research on various related topics. --
lauram: The work needs to be freely available because tax payers have already sponsored your work.
lauram: Don't let this discourage you.
lauram: We have already had a bunch of people enter and win some contests
lauram: !!
Marguerit: OK. I don't know about which contests. I did read something that AOL put out and it looked like mine would fit.
lauram: So I just need to make sure the contest organization does not wannt to own your work end details like that
Wed Sep 22 20:16:24 1999
lauram: that's fine. when your ready, just send me the URL for conference info and I will look into it.
Marguerit: I think that anything that I entered would probably fit that criteria HMMM I would have to check on the owning part as well. I didn't think about that.
lauram: It's exciting when people enter contests.
lauram: The lawyers still need to look at the rules since I'm not a lawyer.
lauram: So - Thanks for coming. Hope to see you next week.
lauram: Any questions?
Marguerit: Thanks so much for your help :) I will definitely let you know before I enter. Hope to see you next week. I may have a conflict though. I will ask Saundra if she can attend and save form me if she can. Talk to you soon.
lauram: ok have a great week.
lauram: bye
Marguerit: No questions for now. Have a good nigth.
Marguerit: bye
¥¥¥ Marguerit has left. ¥¥¥
Capture stopped on Wed Sep 22 20:30:15 1999
Author: Winter 1998 LInC Online Participants HTML Conversion Script Author: Joanna Francis Created: 9/22/99 - Updated: Sep 29, 1999 URL: /lincon/w98/chats/990922/chan1.shtml